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31 Aug 2023/4 min/Vinnie Hager

MLow X Vinnie Hager

A week before his Diary mint, Vinnie Hager traces his shapes and symbols from his grandmother's basement to murals, concrete and an OpenSea homepage drop.

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MLow catches Vinnie Hager a week out from Diary, his first generative open edition, and gets the origin story in full. Sifting through the archive in his grandmother's basement, middle school notebooks, high school drawings, scraps from 2015 through 2023, Vinnie pulled about a hundred finished physical drawings that told the story of seven or eight years of his life. Those hundred works were broken into twelve visual categories that became the backbone of the generative system, built with Danny Cole and the Creature World team plus the same developers who made his Letters collection two years earlier. The drop landed on OpenSea's homepage on September 7, paired with an eleven minute mini documentary by his close friend Evan McCormick that features his grandmother, and Vinnie deflects the OpenSea royalties controversy by asking people to look at the story and the artwork rather than the platform.

The middle of the conversation is a tour of everything the letters iconography touches. Vinnie explains his ever present black and white trucker hat (a web store release nobody bought, so he wore his own stock daily), the memory wall of friends' art and scraps behind him, and his Baltimore roots: community college, then MICA, then a development company cold call that led to his first outdoor mural, painted in spray paint he had never used, wrapping a Harbor East building. That mural led to designing an apartment elevator shaft facade that is being molded into concrete, architecture he never expected on his resume. He covers the custom jeans and shoes era that paid his bills in college, the coming Cain and Abel produced clothing line, and treasure hunts borrowed from pro skateboarders, hiding clothes and art around Baltimore landmarks on his Instagram story.

The Letters conversation is the heart of the episode. Vinnie wanted a generative collection in early 2021 but knew nobody who could code, so he hand drew all one thousand pieces as what he calls an analog generative collection, spurred by a documentary about a late artist's catalog of thousands of works. Names came from a notes app of overheard phrases and song fragments. The anniversary spawned Post, twelve monthly colorways airdropped to Letters holders with a burn to redeem physical print each month. Throughout, both in the interview and in the advice fragments MLow published, Vinnie's method is consistent: make artwork constantly, share it genuinely, support other artists daily, and keep prices accessible while letting rare work stay rare.

What this episode teaches

  1. Mine your own archive

    Diary came from treating a decade of physical drawings as raw material: select about a hundred works, sort them into twelve visual categories, and let those categories become the trait structure of a generative collection. The system is a taxonomy of your own past output.

  2. Constraints can become the signature

    When nobody Vinnie knew in early 2021 could code a generative collection, he drew all one thousand Letters by hand instead. The workaround, an analog generative collection, became the thing the work is remembered for.

  3. Repetition builds recognition

    Vinnie repeats the same shapes and symbols, letters, envelopes, eyeballs, peace signs, across clothing, murals, architecture and NFTs. Putting one visual language on as many mediums as possible is how the work becomes unmistakably his.

  4. Support artists every day, genuinely

    His growth method was following artists, joining group chats, retweeting and commenting real thoughts almost daily, uplifting others without keeping score. The constant, genuine support happened to work as marketing precisely because it was not designed as marketing.

  5. Price by medium, keep an accessible lane

    A painting, a print and an open edition carry different prices because the medium and labor differ. Vinnie deliberately keeps part of his output affordable, from stickers to editions, while letting one of ones stay rare and sought after.

  6. Rehire the team that knows your work

    Diary's developers are the same ones who built Letters two years earlier, and Creature World's team joined on color palettes and layers. Working with people who already understand the body of work compresses ramp up and keeps decisions consistent.

  7. Give back with mechanics, not just words

    Post airdropped twelve monthly artworks to Letters holders, each with a burn to redeem physical print and a randomized one of one bundle. Treasure hunts leave real clothing and art at city landmarks. Generosity engineered into the work keeps a community alive between drops.

  8. Ignore the drama, ship the story

    Asked about OpenSea's royalties reversal days before his drop, Vinnie admits he cannot track the debate around the clock and will not pretend to. His answer is to point people at the story, the thread and the documentary instead of the platform politics.

The conversation, topic by topic

The hat

MLow wears his Vinnie Hager trucker hat and asks about the one Vinnie always wears. Vinnie made black, light blue and pink versions three or four years ago, nobody bought them, so he kept the black one and wore it daily until it became part of the uniform, his own artwork on his head by accident.

Diary's origin in grandma's basement

At his grandmother's house, where much of his life is stored, Vinnie found an archive of finished drawings from around 2015 to 2023. He selected about a hundred that told a personal story of those years, then with friends and his team turned them into the baseline for his first generative open edition.

Twelve categories and the Creature World team

The hundred drawings were distilled into twelve visual categories that anchor the generative portions. Danny Cole and Creature World collaborated on the concept, and the developers are the same ones who built Letters, so the whole group worked through color palettes, layers and how pieces combine.

OpenSea, the mural and the documentary

Diary minted September 7 on OpenSea's homepage drop page; Vinnie had painted a mural in their office about a month earlier. Evan McCormick shot an eleven minute mini documentary about Vinnie's life and practice, featuring his grandmother, released as the storytelling arm of the collection.

The royalties elephant

MLow raises OpenSea's changed royalties stance. Vinnie says he is an artist who cannot keep up with the 24/7 debate, has never used Blur, notes SuperRare is not built for big collections, and hopes people focus on his story and artwork more than on the platform he had been working with for months before the controversy.

The memory wall

Behind him, Vinnie's office wall is covered in mementos: friends' artwork, scraps, scribbles, postcards, stickers from collections, things from his grandma. MLow says he keeps a similar wall at home.

Baltimore, MICA and concrete

Vinnie grew up between Baltimore and Annapolis, went to community college, then the Maryland Institute College of Art. A development company hired him for his first large outdoor mural, done in spray paint he had never used, wrapping a Harbor East building. The neighborhood response won him a second commission: designing the exterior facade of an apartment elevator shaft, his artwork molded into the concrete itself.

From custom jeans to Cain and Abel

Customizing clothing started five or six years ago when a friend asked him to draw on jeans. College friends who could not afford paintings bought shirts, hats, stickers and custom shoes instead, which paid his bills, and he ran small web store releases of puff paint trucker hats, ski masks, blankets and even furniture. His friends John and Chris's manufacturing company Cain and Abel is now helping him revamp the line into produced goods alongside the hand customized work.

Treasure hunts and the MoMA run

Borrowing from pro skateboarders who leave gear at skate parks, Vinnie ran a Christmas treasure hunt across Baltimore landmarks, posting hiding spots to his Instagram story while people ran around the city. MLow recalls dropping everything when Vinnie and Toby tweeted a MoMA meetup with twenty minutes notice, and Vinnie says more of that is coming around weeks like NFT NYC.

Letters, the analog generative collection

Before Letters he minted one of ones and editions on KnownOrigin, Foundation, Rarible and Tezos. He wanted a generative collection but nobody he knew could code, so he decided to hand draw a thousand pieces after a documentary about a late artist's catalog of thousands of works. Titles came from a phone notes file of overheard phrases, music and conversations. He calls Letters his Genesis collection, the baseline for everything since, and credits it for connections to Cool Cats, Doodles and other projects.

Post and the monthly burn

For the Letters anniversary Vinnie airdropped Post, a double meaning on letters and postage: twelve colorways themed to the months since launch. Holding a given month's piece during that month enables a burn to redeem physical print, plus a randomized one of one bundle, sometimes painted Air Max shoes or headphones. The August burn was live during the interview.

Influences, collabs and representation

Vinnie names a timeline full of inspirations, from early figures he saw minting like Jonathan Wolfe to friends like Clon and Coolman Coffeedan, with whom he sits and draws. He collaborated with Ghxsts on a split face piece, did the first creator pack for the Floor app, designed for Tommy Hilfiger during Metaverse Fashion Week in Decentraland, made 75 temporary tattoo designs with Inkbox, and lost a Gilson snowboard collab to a factory fire. He signed with UTA about a year and a half earlier through his agent Griffin, joining a roster with ThankYouX, Deadfellaz and Seneca.

In their words

“These kind of really tell a story of the last seven, eight years of my life. A lot of personal things happened in my life, and drawing was always there.”

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“I hope people just kind of look at my story and my artwork more so than the platform.”

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“Nobody I'd talk to knew how to do any code, so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna draw them all and do an analog generative collection.”

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“I never really thought I'd have architecture, quote unquote, on my resume.”

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“Be around like minded people. That's probably helped me the most, and I learned that a few years back.”

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Cite this conversation

Vinnie Hager in conversation with MLow, "MLow X Vinnie Hager," The MLow Show, 31 Aug 2023. https://show.mlow.xyz/e/2023-08-31-mlow-x-vinnie-hager.html. Quoted from a machine transcript.

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